Rapid and cataclysmic fossilization evidence

[xcept2010]

I am compiling several scientific evidences for rapid cover of the earth by water relating to Noah's deluge.

Take this all with a grain of salt, however I think if one is interested in knowing and uncovering the truth, the evidence is there and it's pretty strong.

First we have amber, not the local stripper, but the rock.

Amber is essentially tree sap hardened and occasionally traps a variety of things in it, such as insects and yeast or bacteria maybe even hair from mammals.

http://www.science.unsw.edu.au/news/australian-amber/

This article shows how whole insects were trapped withing this amber that must have hardened rapidly in order to trap such powerful insects such as a beetle or a spider, in addition they show no signs of decay. They had to have been trapped quickly before predators ate them.

"Australian amber is treasure trove of ancient life e By Bob Beale
June 17, 2010

A study led by UNSW scientists has confirmed the discovery of Australia's most northerly fossil site* - deposits of the precious mineral amber that contain a treasure trove of trapped animal and plant remains and even bubbles of air from millions of years ago.

The amber was found during a hazardous expedition last September to remote beaches on eastern Cape York, in far north Queensland, where the researchers braved crocodiles and sharks to find the source of amber pieces first seen washed up on nearby beaches in 2003 by alert beachcombers Beth Norris and Dale Wicks.
The amber itself is of many colours, from greens, reds and yellows to an almost psychedelic blue, says lead investigator Dr Suzanne Hand, of the UNSW School of Biological, Earth and Environmental Sciences (BEES). Its age is still uncertain but it has formed over millions of years from what was once tree resin in ancient rainforests"More importantly, many of the pieces we've looked at have inclusions of beautifully preserved plant and animal remains that were trapped in the resin before it hardened," Dr Hand says"There's a strange new species of beetle that looks like something from a science-fiction movie, a millipede, two species of ants, butterflies, spiders, many different kinds of flies wasps, pseudo-scorpions, termites and even a tuft of hair from what I suspect is an ancient marsupial"

This is a fabulous find. Not only are these are the most significant amounts of amber ever found in Australia but they occur where Australia and New Guinea were once joined by a land bridge and until now we had almost no information about what was living there at the time. Now we can study some of the actual animals.
Team members have taken more than 100 opaque pieces of the Cape York amber to Grenoble for analysis at the European Synchrotron Radiation Facility.
"We knew they had inclusions but we were amazed at the variety of things that emerged on the screen," says Hand. *The facility was able to use those scann amazed images to make almost perfect three-dimensional giant models of some of the creatures, including the strange prehistoric spider The team includes: BEES researchers Professor Mike Archer, Dr Henk Godthelp and Mr Phil Creaser; colleagues at Australian Museum, Queensland Museum and University of Sydney; and Mr Chris Cannell, a Tasmanian minework The study is funded by an Australian Research Council Discovery Grant"

[xcept2010]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth...00/8734883.stm

Here is another article which states the hairs are extremely similar to modern mammal hair.

[Xaignar]

Originally Posted by xcept2010

This article shows how whole insects were trapped withing this amber that must have hardened rapidly in order to trap such powerful insects such as a beetle or a spider, in addition they show no signs of decay. They had to have been trapped quickly before predators ate them.

Amber is not tree sap, it's resin, and it is sticky as hell. If you've ever had the misfortune of grabbing on to a branch or trunk covered in resin, or have ever gotten some on your clothes, you would know that those "powerful insects" of yours are no match for it. It is essentially glue, and any insect caught in a stream of still flowing resin would be likely to be covered, and hence would be a candidate for fossilization.

So there is no reason, much less a need, to invoke global (or even local) catastrophes to explain insects found in amber.

[OhMan]

How the fuuuuuuck does this point towards a deluge at all. Salt water over a period of two months would break down resinite...

Nice, you just disproved your own theory. I love it.

[ShazaamsCape]

Originally Posted by OhMan

How the fuuuuuuck does this point towards a deluge at all. Salt water over a period of two months would break down amber...

Nice, you just disproved your own theory. I love it.

"The amber was found during a hazardous expedition last September to remote beaches on eastern Cape York, in far north Queensland, where the researchers braved crocodiles and sharks to find the source of amber pieces first seen washed up on nearby beaches in 2003 by alert beachcombers Beth Norris and Dale Wicks."

Seems the article says it washed up on shore. Isn't amber considered a stone in the fossilized state?

[xcept2010]

http://www2.cnrs.fr/en/1305.htm

If that was the case then how did this happen? How could marine life become trapped in amber?

As I stated I will be providing more information on this.

Amber is one of the few things that allow us to see accurately into the past based upon its fantastic ability of airtight preservation

[Flower]

Originally Posted by xcept2010

http://www2.cnrs.fr/en/1305.htm

If that was the case then how did this happen? How could marine life become trapped in amber?

As I stated I will be providing more information on this.

Amber is one of the few things that allow us to see accurately into the past based upon its fantastic ability of airtight preservation

Well:

The presence of these marine organisms in the amber is an ecological paradox. How did these marine species become stuck and then trapped in the conifers' resin? The most likely scenario is that the forest producing the amber was very close to the coast, potentially shrouded by plankton-bearing mist or flooded by sea water during storms.

(And notice that all the links you have provided date the amber at several million years... are you sure that goes along with your young earth creationism?)

[ShazaamsCape]

Did you see the other article listed in the sidebar?
http://www2.cnrs.fr/en/1753.htm

Discovery of a complex, multicellular life from over two billion years ago
The discovery in Gabon of more than 250 fossils in an excellent state of conservation has provided proof, for the first time, of the existence of multicellular organisms 2.1 billion years ago. This finding represents a major breakthrough: until now, the first complex life forms (made up of several cells) dated from around 600 million years ago. These new fossils, of various shapes and sizes, imply that the origin of organized life is a lot older than is generally admitted, thus challenging current knowledge on the beginning of life. These specimens were discovered and studied by an international (1) multidisciplinary team of researchers coordinated by Abderrazak El Albani of the Laboratoire “Hydrogéologie, Argiles, Sols et Altérations” (CNRS/Université de Poitiers) (2). Their work, due to be published in Nature on 1st July, will feature on the cover of the journal.

This article pushes the date back to 2.5 billion years from 600 million.
wouldn't that help evolution? Or do you think it would hurt the theory since it would give more time for multicelled organisms to develop?

It really makes me wonder if these theories on evolution are very sound at all. When a scientist shows evidence that would uproot the entire beginning it does make one wonder.

[Dyz]

Originally Posted by ShazaamsCape

It really makes me wonder if these theories on evolution are very sound at all. When a scientist shows evidence that would uproot the entire beginning it does make one wonder.

It only makes me think our knowledge of what actually happened is improving, because that is what scientists are trying to do. The doubts you feel are not caused by the new insight, because this is just how science works. No scientist will be suprised if these dates shift again if new information comes to light. The doubts you have about evolution were obviously already there before this new insight.

[ShazaamsCape]

Originally Posted by Dyz

It only makes me think our knowledge of what actually happened is improving, because that is what scientists are trying to do. The doubts you feel are not caused by the new insight, because this is just how science works. No scientist will be suprised if these dates shift again if new information comes to light. The doubts you have about evolution were obviously already there before this new insight.

Yes, thank you for clearing this up for me. I have had some doubts about the entirity of the theory, which is the main reason I am online to search for these answers. I want to know the right answers. Whatever they actually are.